Conservatism? What conservatism?

These people are radicals! Militants! Take a moment to consider how they've changed the nation and it's institutions.

Conservative? Not by a long shot!

Mars,
they are radical in terms of the market but not in terms of the nation-state.

Gary - I think mars is on the money. Is there any aspect of Australian life they have't tried to alter radically?

And if you don't buy that, then let me argue that since Milton Friedman/Thatcher/Reagan/the fall of the Berlin Wall, the nation state = the market.

Phil with a blog,
yes mars is on the money. I don't deny that, especially in terms of the market.

Howver, Thatcher was strong on nationalism as patriotism and authoritarian populism.

War cannot be reduced to markets. Australia is just not fighting the way on terrorism to sell more wheat in the Middle East