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July 10, 2012

So the Labor Right has decided that their best strategy is to attack The Greens through caricature (the Greens are the bogey man). Apparently, it is The Greens that are the cause of Labor's current woes, not the actions of the right wing of the ALP. The Greens, apparently, are the most dangerous fringe group in Australian politics.

RoweDwinterharvest.jpg David Rowe

The tactic is to designed to appeal Labor’s traditional blue-collar base and suburban voters, who are now prepared to vote for a conservative government led by  Abbott, by dumping on the left. In that way---eg., saying that the arrival of a few thousand asylum seekers would amount to a breach of Australia’s border security and threaten Australia---- the ALP will regain the momentum to become a majority party in their own right. This indicates that if Labor governs then the Green Senators are needed by Labor to pass its legislation.

They are dreaming. The ALP will only regain power with the help of The Greens because its primary vote is too low. That means some form of coalition, just like there is coalition on the right of centre between the Liberal and National parties.

To put it bluntly, Labor will have to get used to both dealing with the Greens in the Senate, regardless of who’s in government, and the big shift of Labor’s vote to the Coalition. It is the latter, not the former that is problem for Labor. The 2010 agreement between the Greens and Gillard has been a successful alliance--The Greens have ensure that legislation for the National Broadband Network, the mining tax, and the carbon pricing (and its associated tax cuts) have passed in the face of opposition from the Coalition.

| Posted by Gary Sauer-Thompson at 11:11 AM | | Comments (21)
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Sam Dastyari, the state general secretary of Labor’s NSW Right, called on the party at the weekend to refuse to direct preferences to its partner automatically.

Labor has relied on green preferences since the 1980s to gain power.

Victorian Labor are at it again, They decided to preference Family First ahead of the Greens in a state by-election for the seat of Melbourne.

The Labor factional heavyweights from the New South Wales Right including people like Joel Fitzgibbon, are up to their old tricks--white anting their own minority government.

Labor keeps lurching to the right--eg., boats must be stopped and offshore processing is the solution. The shift is covered by a concern for the safety of asylum seekers at sea.

The Labor Right in NSW have never liked the Greens and they have never liked the fact that Labor has had to be in coalition with the Greens to survive as a government.

The Victorian Labor leader Daniel Andrews said yesterday: "[The Greens] main game is holding themselves hostage to their own ideals, to an evangelical idealism that achieves nothing."

So carbon pricing is nothing?

The NSW Right of the ALP are up to their old party tricks.

Remember when they saving the ALP by convincing the Rudd government to drop the carbon pollution reduction scheme several months before an election? They then saved federal Labor by driving the move to dump Kevin Rudd. Now they are campaigning to save the Gillard Government by dumping on The Greens.

The ALP's self-destructive tendencies are on show for all to see. They are more about improving their power base within the ALP than strategy.

Why doesn't the NSW Right be done with it, and say that Labor might consider putting the Coalition ahead of Greens in terms of preferences.

The AWU boss is trying to lift its profile which is probably working. Though if this tack is designed to get the Labor voters that turned Green back well it may get some but as many I think will go to the Kattastrophe Party.
Lets not forget that Labor is staring down a big loss and power brokers are all looking for solutions and somebody else to blame.

One assumption shared by the NSW and the Coaition is that both they claim that the arrival of a few thousand unarmed people poses a threat to Australia’s security.This evokes, and appeals to, Australia’s deep sense of vulnerability.

When the frustrated "faceless" ALP heavies(eg., Paul Howes, Sam Dastyari, denounce the Greens as the lunatic left or compare the Greens to One Nation -they take another step right. Consequently the once progressive Labor Party comes across as less progressive.

It's quite possible that Labor's latest slide to the right will be for nothing. There's already a major party occupying that space.

Why would Howard's "aspirationals" embrace Labor now, when Abbott has CONSISTENTLY championed the rightist cause??

Its interesting that opinion polls show that the Greens are more in step with the majority [and often a substantial one at that] of the public on several issues that are derided by the Right, ALP or COALition, as 'fringe'. In reality it is the latter, not the Greens, who constitute the 'fringe extremists'.
Examples of such issues include Iraq/Afghanistan, same sex equality, NT invasion, support for public schools/health and also dental programmes, subsidies for green industries eg renewables but NOT dirty coal et al ...and other issues.
Even Newspoll showed recently that the majority of the Australian public support the Greens/ALP carbon pricing policies once, and this is important, the question is posed fully and not merely on party tribal grounds.
Without the intervention of our noisy media we would have an entirely different, and far healthier, political climate.

It's been very apparent since Gillard challenged for the leadership - actually since Rudd abandoned action on climate change - that the decision-makers in the ALP are incompetent almost beyond comprehension. This is just the latest demonstration.

Like I've said before, it's all very sad that there will be a lot of damage caused in the process but let them commit suicide as quickly as possible so a new progressive political movement can take their place. Clinging to the hope that Labor can somehow reform itself is just going to prolong the agony.

Fred,
If the greens are on 11% of the vote now I predict they will be on 9% by xmas. Leadership will be an issue.

Fred... sadly I don't believe it really matters if "opinion polls show that the Greens are more in step with the majority".

In what passes for a democracy these days, the main fight if for the relative handful of swing voters in the mortgage belt and the inner city. The major parties will do anything to grab those votes. And it seems that taking a right-wing stance is (mostly) the safe way to go.

The secretary of the NSW ALP Sam Dastyari, says that there is an equivalence of sorts between the Australian Greens and Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party. The Greens, he tells us, are to the Left what Pauline Hanson's old party was to the Right, and both parties are extremist organisations whose values are at odds with those of ordinary Labor voters.

That kind of political thinking shows how shallow the NSW Right is. They think they represent the mainstream as opposed to the inner city elites--Murdoch's view of the world. That makes Dastyari and the NSW Right closet conservatives.

mars 08
The NSW Right think that Labor should be a socially and economically conservative party of the centre-right. That's also the view of The Australian newspaper.

Ken_L says that "the decision-makers in the ALP are incompetent almost beyond comprehension."

Dennis Glover in The Australian argues that:

By following the logic of Dastyari's motion and defining itself as the anti-Green, anti-Left party of Australian politics, Labor would in effect give up any pretence of being a party of change. Instead, it would live out its days, happily exchanging control of the Treasury benches with the Coalition, trying to trump them with new gimmicks picked up from American campaign magazines.

He adds that if Labor is going to have a future, then it is going to have to put together a new agenda that can appeal simultaneously to its inner-city and outer-city bases; it can't afford to ditch one for the other, as Dastyari and others appear to want to do.

mars 08 [and maybe Les].
I dunno where the Greens vote will be in the near future but its worth taking a look at Possum's analysis of Newspoll [might be ER actually] on what Aussies [broken down into parties] believe on several major issues.

Its noteworthy that the supporters of the ALP and the Greens are pretty close together on the issues highlighted. And frequently, despite media presentation, in the majority.
Its the leadership [or some of them] of the ALP who are out of touch with the majority of the public. If they are trading the majority for a minority of the Right that doesn't vote COALition then they are crazy. Gaining a few, losing a lot - which is obviously why the ALP vote is in the low 30s currently.

Have a read.
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2012/06/11/what-australians-believe/

Just to pique your interest:
"Whatever the faults, foibles or otherwise of these national beliefs ..... our national debates on the role of government in our society and economy are becoming increasingly isolated from what the majority of the country actually believes."

Coincidence.
After typing my previous comment I went to New Matilda and saw the article below.

http://newmatilda.com/2012/07/10/labors-spectacular-own-goal

Worth a read.

Yes interesting!
The only other thing that I can add is that I would not be surprised to see Garrett swap back to green.

"If they are trading the majority for a minority of the Right that doesn't vote COALition then they are crazy..."

I suspect they are willing to alienate some of their base (in safe seats) in the hope that they can scrape together enough in the important swing seats.

You can bet that the numbers men in the major parties are looking at the electorate from every angles. They'll be working out precisely how far their parties can shift without risking the ire of the faithful.

Seems to me, they think that there's still some room to move.... towards the right.

Maybe the leadership IS "out of touch with the majority of the public". But maybe they're not the one's they are trying to win over.