Gary,Heavens to fucking betsy you do have taste!Jimi Hendrix a rock God no less.My God how this man has soothed my inner being.The man takes a poets(Dylan) song and POW All along the watch tower,takes me to Alpha Centauri.Hey I know he was pro Viet Nam,but I forgive him.Jimi Hendrix,Gary Moore,Stevie Ray Vaughn,Jeff Beck,Nirvana.Jesus H Christ I think I will kneel in prayer just thinking about them.

5000.000 Halos...
out shined the mud and history
We washed and drank
In God's tears of joy
And for once and for everyonthe truth was not a mystery

Love called to all...Music is Magic
As we passed over and beyond the walls of nay
Hand in Hand as we lived and
made real the dreams of peaceful men

We came together...Danced with
the pearls of of Rainy Weather
Riding the waves of music and Space
Music is Magic
Magic is life
Love as never Loved before
Harmony to Son and Daughter...man and wife.

Jimi Hendrix August 1969.

Unfortunately for Kant he never experienced an electric guitar otherwise he would have had empirical evidence for being alienated the actual experience of art."Are You experieced" snigger snigger.Phill.

Phill,
I wouldn't dump on Kant so quickly. You are living off some of his ideas and using some of his aesthetic categories--eg. , art and genius.

Kant stands right in the middle of a complete historical change in the central focus of aesthetics. While formerly, philosophical aesthetics was largely content to take its primary examples of beauty and sublimity from nature, after Kant the focus is placed squarely on works of art.

Kant understands art to refer to the activity of making according to a preceding notion. If I make a chair, I must know, in advance, what a chair is. We distinguish art from nature because (though we may judge nature purposive) we know in fact there is no prior notion behind the activity of a flower opening. The flower doesn't have an idea of opening prior to opening - the flower doesn't have a mind or a will to have or execute ideas with. The artist or musician does.

Art also means something different from science. Kant says it is a skill distinguished from a type of knowledge. Art involves some kind of practical ability, irreducible to determinate concepts, which is distinct from a mere comprehension of something. The latter can be fully taught; the former, although subject to training to be sure, relies upon native talent.

This takes us to the central category of 'genius'. Kant was aesthetic conservative reacting against, for example, the emphasis on the individual, impassioned artist characteristic of the 'Sturm und Drang' movement, the precursor to romanticism. Historically Kant's discussion of the concept contributed to the escalation of the concept in the 19th Century.

What aspect of Kant's understanding of genius is originality, which means also that fine art properly is never an imitation of previous art, though it may 'follow' or be 'inspired by' previous art. What genius also does, Kant says, is to provide 'soul' or 'spirit' to what would otherwise be uninspired.

Is this not a part of how you understand what a 'rock god' means?

Gary ,Phylosophy is your stock in trade so you promote it as the answer to the unknown.Not being so trained or educated myself, I do not have the luxury of refering to others for my answers I go with my intuition or lifes experiences .On some issues I will bend and say to myself,"I can see the point here and it has merit and I will change my mind"I am not made of stone.I cannot explain to you why I can't stand Mozart,I can't explain to you why Hendrix gets me off.In both cases I can read the sheet music,the dots are just arranged differently.What I will concede is this, the music I love would not be possible with out the Mozarts and Miles Davis's of the world,because I do not like them does not take away the fact they are both musicians/ musicians.Now that feeling I get when I hear a g string bent to breaking point,that is the un-known.Kant cannot explain this to me,I can't explain it to myself.

Phill,
aah, we have 'authenticity of self-expression' by the artist and the 'authentic subjectivity' in the musical reception introduced into the conversation.

It is upon this 'authenticity' foundation ('intensity of feeling') that those who love rock music say that music matters and that rock music is oppositional to conservative politics.

Inauthentic rock is establishment culture--- is that Eric Clapton?--entertainment dominated by economic interst.

Or maybe the meaning and the affect are now divided and the affective--- 'when I hear a g string bent to breaking point'---is now unrepresentable.

Gary,Alright already you have made a good point I will bow out and move on.,ha ha.Clapton yuk.Clapton and CREAM Nirvana.White room oh how I love it so,and loud.The trouble is my ears have been pounded into submission (titunus)playing and listening to rock music.The price one pays for art.
Phill

Phill,
all I wanted to show is that aesthetics is not nonsense --it is involved in everyday life; philosophy is concerned with the categories that we use to talk about music, and that you adopt a particular aesthetic philosophy (romanticism) when you talk about rock music.

Gary,what can I say I am a romantic at heart.
Phill.