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October 2, 2004

Porn has been a contentious issue in the arts and in popular culture for decades. What now comes through the mass media is child porn not porn per se.

Pornography is one of the financial successes of the Internet - and it has been in large part responsible for its enormous rate of growth over recent years. Porn is increasingly being accepted, both as an industry and within high fashion. It is becoming mainstream.

Child porn is another matter entirely. It is children being exploited by pedophiles? Clearly so. Child pornography is sickening images of adults having sex with young children. Or more accurately, child pornography is the sexual and physical abuse of the body of children under 16. Hence the police shift away from porn to child porn.

If it is indecently assaulting children, then is child pornography also purchasing images of child abuse. Or is it possessing indecent photos? Does 'indecent' piggy back on the pornographic as sexual and physical abuse? I suspect that it does in a lot of commentary.

So what is 'indecent'? Is 'indecent' sexual photos of young girls designed for the pleasure of men or women?

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Wynn

Is that pornography? Is it an indecent image?

Is a photo of a child taken by her mother indecent?:

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Sally Mann, "Gum", "Shiva at Whistle creek", 1992

Is the Mann image indecent? Is it pornographic?

If I downloaded that image onto a computer, is that an act of making an indecent image? Is my reposting the image on the internet an act of distributing an indecent image?

What makes an image indecent? Is it the sexualness?

There is a lot of downloading of sexual imagery going on. So how does the relationship between free speech and child protection on the net actually work ? What comes through the media reports is a 'watch out as we know what you're up to' message.

There does seem to be a slide from the indecently assaulting children to possessing indecent photos in the various media reports. That slide is what is problematic.

What does not come through these kind of headlines is the very complicated debate about bodies, representation, feminism, political correctness, desire, perversion and pleasure that has being going on for a couple of decades. It is a debate that has arisen with the visualization of female eroticism in its sensual, emotional and disquieting expressions.

| Posted by Gary Sauer-Thompson at 7:57 PM | | Comments (9)
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Damage. Harm. But then it's wrong to harm anyone isn't it?
What makes it worse in the case of children is the lost potential. That's what we are, it's what we're doing, moving forward through time. Children are how we do that.
The hypocrisy of protection in a commercial society devoted to the exploitation of anything and everything, including human beings, including children, makes it easier for the damage to get done, even as the "protectors" strut around rewarding themselves for the little bit of protection they offer.
It wasn't until the martyrdom of the early gay-rights activists that it was even possible to discuss child molestation in public. People have forgotten that. The taboo made it possible for the molestors to function virtually invisibly, because it was forbidden to talk about it.
Anne Frank shows up in what are at the least some very odd photographs taken by her father. So what is that?
Is it sexual abuse to surgically alter the genitals of a child born intrasexual, what used to be called hermaphroditic? Yes, it is, it is damage and harm. Intentions are a trivial aspect, and sexual pleasure even more trivial. It is the damage, the harm to the victim that matters, that makes it wrong.
Is it harmful to a child to raise her to believe the earth is only 5,000 years old?
That the end of the world is near?
That God hates communists? Yes. Is that abuse? Yes.
There are people who would rather see a child killed than sexually molested.
Who care less about whether children live or die, than whether they die virgins.
That same hypocrisy, like the hypocrisy of drugs use and abuse, supports and maintains two very damaging things.
1. An international trade in the forbidden, including living boys and girls, and images produced in what amounts to slavery.
2. The justification of the all-seeing surveillance technology that is sterilizing the human spirit and reducing the chaotic fertility of the human imagination to an insect droning of utility and dull-witted "safe" amusements.
Is it wrong to make child pornography? It's wrong to damage another person for your own pleasure or gain, especially to damage children for your own pleasure or gain.
To use another human life as if it were a disposable commodity is the sin.
Sex is no more or less a factor than organ harvesting or the trained-animal acts of artificially cute speech and behavior. Jon-Benet Ramsey was already living a damaged life when she was killed, whatever the sordid circumstances that remain hidden there. Children can be used in non-sexual ways that are just as horrific and just as evil sexual molestation.
Encouraging young boys to kill electronic images of other human beings is just as evil as encouraging them to drool over artificial breasts and lips.
Damage is the crime, harm is the sin, whatever the means are.

The usual justification given for laws criminalising possession of child pornography is that the laws are there to protect the wellbeing of the children depicted in the pornographic material. But it is not only actual photographic or filmed depictions of actual sexual acts which are prohibited.

This is from the NSW Crimes Act:

"child pornography" means a film, publication or computer game classified RC, or an unclassified film, publication or computer game that would, if classified, be classified RC, on the basis that it describes or depicts, in a way that is likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult, a person (whether or not engaged in sexual activity) who is a child under 16 or who looks like a child under 16.

Computer games, drawings, or textual depictions of sexual acts involving children are presumably just as illegal as photos and DVDs, but no actual children were (presumably) harmed in their production.

So there's more to this than protecting actual children -- perhaps child porn laws exist to protect the idea of children as an idealised innocent "us" ...

Society moves through fashions in regard to which group will occupy the lowest strata. Throughout much of my childhood it was "junkies" and "drug peddlers", before my time it was "queers", these days it seems to be pedophiles. Their status as the lowest-of-the-low seems to have little to do with the nature or severity of their crimes, but more to do with the fashions of the day.

I wonder who's next?

Protecting the idea of children is a good thing. It's the people who are doing it that are the problem. They're myopic, and disconnected from themselves.
Basing the prohibitions on community standards means tracking the damage increase as the social common denominator craters. Having to prove something is damaging before it's accountable is just more Judeo-Christian weakness.
Erring on the side of caution when it comes to protecting children is a good thing. So is erring on the side of caution when it comes to the environment those children inherit and live in. Why do we do one and not the other?
The people who have been given charge of this protection are themselves damaging children, but unintentionally, so that gets them off the hook with a paternal authority figure, but it does nothing for the children they harm; it's just that the damage isn't sexual, so it's ok.
We allow any and all intellectual damage to occur, we allow the values of children to be brutalized and we allow them to be seduced into a kind of conscienceless material sucking, as long as it isn't sexual and there's no measurable physical harm.
The more "enlightened" defenders of children in the US will rise to protect some children from some kinds of emotional abuse, sometimes.
But where it really counts, the value of life itself, outside of human self-interest, and the sanctity of the world, again outside human self-interest, well, who cares about that?
But that is the world children inhabit, it colors their every minute all their lives, nothing is more important. And out of that seduction and brutalization comes this, what we have now - morons with delusional belief systems feeding themselves on the blood of the innocent, and a Satanic drive toward self-extinction through amoral technology and rampant unchecked greed.
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Harming children for your own pleasure is pretty much the lowest of the low, as far as individual crimes go.
But what difference will it make if we protect children from sexual exploitation and allow the world to be shot out from under them?

Paul,
That phrase "a film, publication or computer game.... that is likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult" in the NSW Crmes Act is very openended.

It would work in favour of a moral conservatism that would be offended by sexually active teenagers under 16 exploring their own sexuality.

Such polymorphous activity is likely to cause offence and so would any film, art work or photo.

Veronica,
your concern seems to be about our culture that fails to take the protection of children seriously other than sexual and physical abuse.

It pushes the emotional abuse of children into the background account coupled to a lack of concern about children having to cope in a harsh,brutalizing and cruel world.

We protect them from sexual abuse but ignore they way they are brutalized.

I can only agree.

It appears that I will be breaking protocol here by posting a relatively short comment. :)

Re: the Sally Mann image
I was going to write that it must be relative to the viewers awareness of the creators intention. But, mustering the most impartial set of eyes that I could... it still doesn't come across as indecent to me. It would have been interesting if you could have asked first, then told everyone its origin after some responses . The other example that I'm thinking about while I write is the photographer Bill Henson. I also really like his work, but some of it really makes me sit back and have to think about whether or not I think he has crossed a line I dont approve of (and I am no prude, by ANY stretch). What part the gender of the creator play in this is an interesting question too.

OK that was not as short as I intended it to be :)

Great site!

Sam
you can find some posts on the photos of Bill Henson here and here.

There are some interesting comments on the first post that address your concerns.

The Bill Henson image that you have put up in yesterday's post, is the EXACT image I had in mind when I was writing...

Some interesting links for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexuality
http://bk-girls.org
http://logicalreality.com

I've found most of society's views on child porn are based on emotional knee-jerk reactions and brainwashing from the media/government/religion. And I'm speaking as someone who was in a home-made porn film when I was 9. Luckily, it wasn't one of those that gets spread around the internet on WinMX etc, but it was while I was in a consenting relationship with a guy. Yes, I know people will say that I "couldn't" consent at that age, but I did and knew what I was doing. So I never told anyone what was happening because I knew it was illegal. I was always pretty mature for my age. I'm now married to the man in question, and we are still as in love now as were were then.

Open your minds to some ideas beyond what CNN or Fox News brainwashes you to think.